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The competition heats up!? League’s ahead!

I am still not a fan of the recent changes to Duolingo, but it certainly looks like others are: The competition in the Obsidian League is off the charts, certainly compared to before.

Duolingo groups its users in leagues depending on how active we are. You start in the Bronze league, and if you have more XP than most, you can advance to silver by the end of the week. If you have less than the others, you are demoted.  Next week you can advance to gold, and so on to sapphire, ruby, emerald, amethyst, pearl, obsidian, and finally diamond. Within each league, you compete in a group of 30 almost-random users: Those who happen to complete their first lesson of the week around the same time as yourself. This should in theory be random, but… If you start early on Monday morning, you are probably a competitive player and will compete with others of the same type. If you wait till late in the evening, you will probably compete with more casual players who still care about their daily streak, but perhaps not much more.

Well, I used to hang out in the Obsidian League for a long time under the old system, but dumped down in Pearl around the time they switched to the winding path system. (I can’t recall if this was related or just a coincidence.) This week I came back to Obsidian, and wow, the competition is insane. Back in the day, I could comfortably stay in Obsidian by doing two exercises a day. Some days I only needed to do one. Now? This week, the lowest user that is not in the demotion zone has 617 XP. It will probably be more before the league closes in the evening. So 90 points per day are the bare minimum and may not be enough to stay. That would be 6 (error-free) regular exercises, although you can get double XP for 15 minutes by doing your training at specific times of the day or after completing a full bubble. But if you are just trying to learn and not gaming the system, 6 exercises a day is the norm here, and it is not even the highest league!

I guess I must have entered really early in the morning this week, but still. This is intense. I was in this league for months and never saw anything remotely like this. This morning, I am currently number 22 (24-30 are demoted) but unless I keep playing for a while, I will almost certainly be booted from the league by this hardcore crowd.

Luckily Duolingo.com, the website, still has the dumbbells (training exercises) that give 10 XP per session for exercises the AI picks for you. It is less than the 15 XP you get for progressing down the winding path, but more than the 5 XP you get for repeating earlier topics of your own choice. It also restores a lost “heart” for each session. As a paying member, I get unlimited hearts instead of getting put on pause if I lose five hearts, but I generally see hearts as a good mechanic, telling the student that he or she is progressing too far, too fast, and should repeat older stuff instead. However, the training feature is missing on my Android phone. So if you get locked out for too many mistakes, try the website instead, and use the dumbbells (while they still exist, I guess) to improve your skills and gain more XP. I mean, we are probably here to learn languages, but it is kind of a game too, so why not play it?

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Don’t try this at home, kids!

Actually, this is something that the highly trained professionals at Duolingo have warned about themselves, but I’ll repeat it here. There is one thing you can do, and have a high risk of doing, that could seriously mess up your learning experience. Actually two things, but the first is the worst.

Don’t rush out from the start at a speed you cannot maintain. Well, a little more than you can maintain is probably OK, but I am talking about spending hours racing down the language tree, learning topic after topic on the first day or two. That is fine only if you can spend that much time later too. Because the more you learn, the more you need to repeat.

Repetition is an interesting topic in its own right. Unless you are a super genius, there are basically four ways to learn things: Repetition, association, understanding, or crisis. Repetition is the only one of these that you can control in detail. Science has a pretty good idea of how repetition influences learning, and how often you should repeat (modified by your general ability to learn). Association is something you can try to do, by thinking up images or stories, or it could happen automatically if a word is similar to a word in another language, for instance. The other two are very hard to control.

Learning a language in Duolingo is not like a grocery list. The learning is constructed in a logical way, where you add new features one by one, increasing complexity.  If you race ahead and you are not a super genius, you wake up the next morning and much of what you learned is gone. So you start the app and suddenly you are surrounded by exercises that are way too hard for you. This is really frustrating. Especially the web version is bad in this regard, because if you make a mistake, they will make the current lesson longer. So instead of getting, say, 15 sentences, if you make errors in ten of them you get 25. If you make errors in the new sentences you get, it adds even more, so you could end up with 30 or 40. One unlucky forum writer was unable to finish his daily exercise at all because it just kept growing longer the more he did. Luckily the smartphone app is more forgiving: It will simply ask the same question again at the end of the lesson, until you get it right. Still, that could take some time if you are deep in enemy territory, so to speak.

A similar problem could happen if you take a long break, for instance a vacation without Duolingo. (Who would want that??) In my case, I returned to Turkish after working on another language for a while. Suddenly I found myself “behind enemy lines”, seeing exercises in a language which definitely looked like Turkish but I only understood a little of it. Translating to the language was completely impossible.

What people naturally tend to do in this situation is run away and never come back. What you can do instead is start from the top (or wherever you are confident) and practice individual bubbles (topics). It is not quite like doing it the first time, because Duolingo remembers where you have been and may throw in things you learned later, but most of the exercises should be about that topic. Just work your way down the tree again at a more comfortable speed. You will gradually regain your confidence as the language comes back to you, and you rack up points. (I eventually quit Turkish not long after, but that was mainly because my daily exercises reminded me of what was going on in Turkey at the time.)

I hope this is was useful! Slow and steady wins the race. Or preferably fast and steady, but try not to start a marathon like a sprint, or you will not be able to complete at all.

 

 

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Running to stay in place

Today I am once more “50% fluent in French”. I’ve been that a couple times before, but it gets harder and harder. Ironically, it seems that for every week I practiced my “1+1” tactic (learning one new bite-size lesson and doing one repetition lesson) I fell further behind. The last week I have done only repetitions, several repetitions each day on average, and finally got back up to 50% today.

This makes a certain sense: The more vocabulary I have learned, the more I forget each day. At the same time, the program (especially on smartphones) seems worried about scaring me away with too difficult exercises, so it mostly sticks to things I know. This works as intended in the sense that I usually fail 0-2 sentences out of 20, and feel good about my French. But my day to day exercises lag far beyond the “horizon” of what I have learned, so that the most difficult words are not part of my daily practice at all. That is, if I just press the “dumbbells” (exercise icon).  I can specifically pick some of the almost empty bars a bit above the edge of where I have come, but I wanted to see how much it took to get back to 50% using just the standard exercises.

Look here: The upper golden bars are those I have repeated and supposedly remember for a while because of that, including most of Present 3. (There are also a few more pages of gold above them.)

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Then down here at Possessives 3 we see the recently learned lessons, which are hopefully not forgotten yet. And between them is the “sea of grey” which Duolingo does not show me yet. (I manually revisited Directions, as you can see, to see if I had forgotten it.) If I use my 1+1 tactic, the grey sea keeps growing wider and wider, and my fluency dips lower the more I learn.

I hope this was interesting! “The more you know, the more you have to maintain.” C’est la vie!

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Carefully, very carefully

For the last three days I have added one 10-XP unit each day, slowly making my way through the basics of possessives and “to have” in Turkish. Evidently Turks prefer not to use their verb for “to have”, but instead like to say things like “My one cat doesn’t exist” instead of “I don’t have a cat”. Actually that’s pretty cool, I could get used to that.

My daily quota (which I think is the standard, as I don’t recall setting it) is 20 XP a day, so I have to do one more 10-XP exercise. In practice I usually do a few more. I almost exclusively use the dumbbell icon now. The exercises there are harder than when repeating an individual learning unit. I will probably mostly use those for learning new things, and for the first repetition of it the next day. After that, I rely on Duolingo’s database to figure out which are my weakest points. It seems to be pretty good at that! Especially on the website. The app is easier. I am able to reliably do dumbbell exercises on the website too now, although it takes longer since I make more mistakes. Especially when writing in Turkish, which is no small feat. I miss the intelligent keyboard from the smartphone, which will propose valid Turkish phrases when I type something similar without accents.

I still continue my French streak too. French is noticeably easier, so I generally only do my 20 XP a day, or perhaps 30. I  do one dumbbell exercise, and if all the circles are golden after that, I do 10 XP of new material. Otherwise I continue with dumbbells.

I could definitely ramp this up more, but I don’t want to get in the situation where I have to spend time I don’t have just to avoid losing everything. So I am taking it slowly for now, until the basics have settled in my brain at least.

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Consolidating

For a few days, I have not moved further from the first Turkish checkpoint. Each day I have done a bunch of “dumbbell” exercises, using the icon for personalized exercises gathered from my weak points all over the topics covered so far. I think I am about ready to move onward, only more slowly.

My current status is that inside our extremely limited vocabulary and grammar, I can reliably translate from Turkish to English. This is actually the extent of my aspiration. I have no interest in writing in Turkish, let alone speak them, although I may eventually do that if I follow a similar trajectory as I did when I learned English as my third language. When I left school, I could read books for older children and young adults, with a dictionary at hand. I read books. I read dozens of books, hundreds of books, bookshelves full of books, stacks of magazines, until I could no longer remember whether I had read something in English or in my native Norwegian. There are still many English words I can’t pronounce, but there are tens and thousands that I can understand and also reliably write, which I could not when I ended my formal education. So if I for some reason wanted to learn Turkish well, that is probably how I would do it. It is a lot easier to write a word when you have read it a few hundred times! For me, it is actually easier to learn the spelling first and the pronunciation later. This is because I am hyperlexic, the opposite of dyslexic. So not everyone will feel comfortable with taking the same path.

I do think it is a good idea for anyone to stop and consolidate after a while, if the dumbbell exercises turn out to be too hard. It is a reliable sign that we have only had a guided tour of the language so far, and need to slow down and make it our own.

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